Converting from RCR to Saga

Pros

• Better two weapon fighting mechanics
• More base HP
• Higher Defense
• Better force mechanics
• Larger force point pool
• Small bard song like ability via the noble (only +1, but still good)
• Reliable party healing via force or treat injury skill
• Single skill for ALL force powers
• Some feats have been compacted
• Revamped skill system
• More feats for all classes (1 every even level) in addition to the standard 1,3,6,9,12,15,18
• Unique mechanics-Talents (allows larger customization)
• 2 ability score increases at every 4th level (cant be the same score)

Cons

• Higher enemy defense
• Limited force power regeneration (in combat)
• Require a feat just to be able to GAIN a force power (1+Wis mod, can be taken multiple times)
• Heroic Surge removed
• DM's may give a DS point to force users who use any power to deal any damage (seems a little lame when force slam deals damage and makes them prone (on a successful hit), and force slam seems a cool power)
• Revamped skill system
• Novelty of squishyness (VP and WP)
• Requires a feat at level 6 to get a second attack, then another at 11 for the third
• 8 hours rest only heals your character level in hp instead of 1 hp/level/hour
• Force illusion no longer exists

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Malhavocc 05 Jun 2011 02:51

Pro:
More feats for all classes (1 every even level) in addition to the standard 1,3,6,9,12,15,18
Unique mechanics-Talents (allows larger customization)
2 ability score increases at every 4th level (cant be the same score)

Con:
Requires a feat at level 6 to get a second attack, then another at 11 for the third
8 hours rest only heals your character level in hp instead of 1 hp/level/hour

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Last edited on 05 Jun 2011 10:36 by Malhavocc Show more

Ollom 18 Jun 2011 04:55

can't see any pros that overly interest me, I enjoy being rather vulnerable.

couple of cons stand out though, on top of what stoy mentioned, don't like heroic surge being removed, would have to see the skills and feats revamp to see how it effects me.

i'm going to vote against the change, but like you know whatever >.> lol I'm more then happy to go with the flow… although it only seems to be a better system at lower levels

Malhavocc 18 Jun 2011 07:11

I agree from the pro/con list there doesnt seem to be alot working in your favor.

If you saw the soldier Talents you might change your mind. there are some pretty cool rules for flight combat which would effect you more than most.
Soldiers seem to be able to get the largest defense due to talents.

HP:
Soldier starts with 30+Con Mod, then d10+Con Mod every other

Skills:
Acrobatics (Balance/Tumble)
Climb
Deception(Bluff)
Endurance(Replaced Con check)
Gather Information
Initiative(Dont need to have as high dex)
Jump
Knowledge
Mechanics(Repair/ Disable Device/
Perception(Search/Spot/Listen/Sense Motive)
Persuasion(Diplomacy/Intimidate)
Pilot
Ride
Stealth(Hide/Move Silently)
Survival(Standard use + Replaces Track Feat)
Swim
Treat Injury(Heal)
Use Computer
Use the Force

Thats a quick run down, i may have missed something

Also, what stops us from using the Vitality/Wound point system in saga?

Just move crits back to going straight to wound (in saga all weapons are 20 x2), and con score=wound points. nothing says you cant have your cake and eat it too ;) also, heroic surge is an easy port.

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Masodie: Your paranoid.
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bennygold 21 Jun 2011 01:26

We will have a discussion about converting before Friday's session.

Items to discuss:

• Should we use the adjusted HP or keep VP/WP
• Should we keep critical rules (straight to WP instead of x2)
• Should we implement a Heroic Surge (my feeling is yes, but..)
• Would these concessions on Saga be enough to keep the RCR feel in a Saga game

Malhavocc 21 Jun 2011 07:35

Im easy going with way on those rules.
Heroic Surge is made much stronger in saga with the loss of extra attacks as per standard d20 rules, something to keep in mind.

"The RCR feel" wasnt aware it had a feel, was always just had fun speaking Gungan for a night! :P well and LAZOR SWORDS! (sp intentional)

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Gobar: Mesa be feeling wesa be'en follow'd.
Masodie: Your paranoid.
Within 30 min all hell breaks loose, you see a gungan shaking his head at a human noble.
Brought to you by Gobar Dizz, Gungan Jedi Guardian, Master of tentacles